Timeline for How to pronounce the unstressed е in прише́дшие?
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| Apr 27, 2019 at 8:22 | comment | added | tum_ | Мы, наверное, злоупотребляем терпением модераторов. Я подумываю открыть новый вопрос на русскоязычном SE, но сначала надо прошерстить, не обсуждалось ли это уже тысячу раз... | |
| Apr 26, 2019 at 23:21 | comment | added | Sandra | If I have to pronounce ''лиса'' or ''леса'' as a two-syllable word in order not to disturb the rhythm of a verse, the first vowel will be pronounced as an indistinct connecting vowel sound, something in between ''и'' and ''е.'' The same applies to ''пировать,'' ''переделать'' and so on. It is just a typical Moscow indistinct unstressed vowel sound connecting consonants. | |
| Apr 26, 2019 at 23:20 | comment | added | Sandra | In ''пришедшие'' i pronounce the last ''ш'' as the average between ''ш'' and ''щ'' in my dialect. ''Sheep'' is a good approximation. I do not really hear the classical ''ы'' sound after ''ш'' when I pronounce ''пришедшие''; it is rather something in between ''и'' and ''ы,'' closer to ''и.'' Anyway, such nuances are hard to tell from my Moscow dialect fast indistinct speech, where vowels are barely pronounced at all and serve merely as links between consonants and where ''ш'' and ''щ'' are much closer to each other than in the classical Russian pronunciation. | |
| Apr 26, 2019 at 20:56 | comment | added | tum_ | :) You obviously mistook me for a foreigner, which was not my intention at all (and you could check my profile). Anyway, let's hope your exercises help someone else. Now, if I say 'shee' I have to pronounce English "soft sh' but I don't do English accent when I speak Russian. Similarly, 'льса' is not fair :) What sound do you pronounce when you have to pronounce it - say, in a song or a verse, where you break the rhythm if you drop it. | |
| Apr 26, 2019 at 19:49 | history | edited | Sandra | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Apr 26, 2019 at 18:53 | comment | added | Sandra | (continuation of the above comment) In the end, the ''и'' sound must be only virtually there, for a microsecond. It is like intending to pronounce it but not really pronouncing, similar to how ''u'' gets virtual in the word ''difficult.'' Then make ''а'' as short as needed, just enough for making a distinct stressed vowel sound. Then relax your lips, tongue, and all muscles involved in making sounds, and pronounce the word with the minimal physical effort. Voila. | |
| Apr 26, 2019 at 18:53 | comment | added | Sandra | tum_, yes, лиса́ ('fox') and леса́ ('forests') sound identically in the Moscow dialect, like ''льса.'' To learn to pronounce it properly in the Moscow dialect, do the following exercise: You first pronounce the word very distinctly in the classical way, i.e., ЛиииииСаааааа, then you make the first vowel shorter, ЛииСаааааа, then even more shorter, ЛиСаааааа, and continue shortening ''и'' until it virtually disappears. Do not change the consonant sounds. (continued below) | |
| Apr 26, 2019 at 18:46 | history | edited | Sandra | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Apr 26, 2019 at 18:43 | comment | added | Sandra | tum_, pronounce the following word considering it English: pre-shed-shee-ee. This is practically identical to how I pronounce ''пришедшие,'' except that I make the vowel in ''pre'' virtual, intending to pronounce that vowel but not actually pronouncing it. Or, if you will, that vowel is there just for a microsecond. The syllable ''shee'' is like in ''sheep.'' | |
| Apr 26, 2019 at 15:27 | comment | added | tum_ |
пришéдши-и - interesting.. pronouncing the ''и'' sound - well, is it not the "ы" sound? I can't say "и" after "ш" even if I try hard. What about лиса́ (lisá) 'fox' and леса́ 'forests' are both pronounced /lʲiˈsa/, phonetically - is this true for your Moscow dialect? Are the two sounds absolutely identical?
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| Apr 26, 2019 at 14:31 | history | edited | Sandra | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Apr 26, 2019 at 14:06 | history | answered | Sandra | CC BY-SA 4.0 |