Timeline for Pronunciation and IPA transcription of "Нева"
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| S May 3, 2021 at 4:07 | history | suggested | sumelic | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
palatalization is based on the following vowel
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| May 1, 2021 at 12:01 | vote | accept | BertHobe | ||
| May 1, 2021 at 12:01 | comment | added | BertHobe | Thanks for this comment. I see, I think this comment is the actual answer to my question. | |
| May 1, 2021 at 11:52 | comment | added | Yellow Sky | @BertHobe - Exactly, no /j/ is added in pronunciation, but still the consonant changes, it's not the plain /n/ anymore, and /nʲ/ is one sound, not two, the small ʲ doesn't mean a separate sound, it shows that it's not actually /n/, it shows the consonant is palatalized, Read this very attentively: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palatalization_(phonetics) | |
| May 1, 2021 at 11:45 | comment | added | BertHobe | According to your profile you can speak German too. Here is the resource (it is a very common resource): russlandjournal.de/russisch-lernen/schrift-und-aussprache (directly in the beginning the first section). There you can see it. And I am not sure if I understood you correctly. According to these rules stated on this webiste and as the voice in the audio says there is no j added. Only in the IPA? | |
| May 1, 2021 at 11:44 | comment | added | Yellow Sky | @BertHobe - In fact, it's very difficult, often impossible for Russian native speakers to pronounce /ni/ or /nɪ/, without palatalization. When they try to do it, they actually say either /nʲi/ or /nɨ/. | |
| May 1, 2021 at 11:40 | comment | added | Yellow Sky | @BertHobe - I told you, it's a rule: ни is always /nʲi/ (stressed) or /nʲɪ/ (not stressed). Always. It's a rule. Why your textbook doesn't mention it is completely due to the quality of the textbook: it simplifies things. How does it give the pronunciation of тётя and дядя, I wonder? | |
| May 1, 2021 at 11:37 | comment | added | BertHobe | Thanks for the update but my question is still there: Why is it [nʲɪˈva] and not [nɪˈva]? And what is the rule saying that a "j" is added here? The voice in the audio does not say [nʲɪˈva]? It says it without a j? | |
| May 1, 2021 at 11:34 | history | edited | Yellow Sky | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
more info added
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| May 1, 2021 at 11:29 | comment | added | BertHobe | But here in this case is there a consonant palatalization? So for me there is no obvious rule or the rules clearly say that there should be a /n/. This is as the voice in the audio pronounces it. However in the IPA it says with small j. So why is there a palatalization happening here? From my understanding it should be [nɪˈva] and not [nʲɪˈva]. Or: why is it [nʲɪˈva] and not [nɪˈva]? | |
| May 1, 2021 at 11:02 | history | answered | Yellow Sky | CC BY-SA 4.0 |