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In the sentence:

Cтуденты, переводившие эту статью, говорят, что она очень трудная.

¿Is the meaning one of a perfect action of the type "Students, having translated this article,..." or is it more general and vague as in "Students translating this article..."

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    having translated is переведя or less current переведши Commented Nov 30, 2018 at 20:32

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The imperfective aspect is about state, and the perfective is about state transition.

переводившие here means "the students who have been translating the article," i.e. all those who have ever been "in a state of translating the article." As long as the student spent at least some time translating the article, they would qualify for переводившие.

Its perfective counterpart, переведшие, means "those who have changed the state of the article," turning it from "untranslated" to "translated". Just spending time on the article is not enough.

This phrase describes all the students who have had a hand in translating the article.

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  • in my opinion present perfect continuous doesn't apply here since it implies that the action continues in the present moment, Russian participle doesn't have that meaning, it refers to the past, a closer Russian match to the English present perfect continuous is a verb in present tense or present participle Commented Dec 1, 2018 at 8:02
  • I understand perfectly what Quassnoi is saying and it makes me go back to my original instinct, which was to translate this simply as "Students translating this article (have) said that it is quite difficult.
    – CocoPop
    Commented Dec 1, 2018 at 13:36
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Not sure if Russian is classified as having perfect aspect, but переводившие definitely has a sense of something that is in the past. You would need to use переводящие, if you wanted to stress that the translation was on-going.

But переводившие wouldn't necessarily mean that the translation has positively finished. Say, students, last time I was in contact with them, were translating the article. I don't know where they are with their translation now -- it may be finished or it may not. Might be they have given up on it altogether. I could still use переводившие -- my best knowledge of the situation is from the past and at the time they were definitely translating it.

There is also переведшие. This one is much closer to having a definitive connotation that something has positively occurred.

Студенты, переведшие эту статью, говорят, что она очень трудная.

This expression would most certainly mean that the students have finished translating the article. Finished as in not abandoned it halfway, but translated the whole article.

Переводившие can also signal prolonged action in the past, while переведшие has a feel of abruptness to it. This difference can be used as a stress. For example,

Студенты, переводившие статью 2 недели, говорят, что она очень трудная.

vs

Студенты, переведшие статью за день, говорят, что она простая.

In the former переводившие hints at prolonged action and, hence, some effort. In the latter переведшие implies it happened fast and was effortless.

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  • Thank you for this very insightful response! It confirms my initial instinct to simply translate this as "translating" in that the students who were translating it, mentioned it was difficult at that time.
    – CocoPop
    Commented Nov 30, 2018 at 19:17
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    The Russian most definitely classifies as having a perfect aspect — a clearly defined system of aspects is a distinctive feature of Slavic languages. Fun fact: the term "aspect" is a loan translation from the Russian term "вид", borrowed inot English in mid-19th century.
    – Joker_vD
    Commented Nov 30, 2018 at 19:36
  • @Joker_vD Fun fact indeed! Interesting, as I know for a fact that Russians struggle with perfect aspect, when they learn English.
    – user75619
    Commented Nov 30, 2018 at 19:43
  • The aspects in Slavic grammar are PERFECTIVE, not PERFECT.
    – CocoPop
    Commented Nov 30, 2018 at 19:54
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    Excuse me, but I think, переведшие is pronounced with no ё. Besides, we would sooner say "Студенты, которые перевели эту статью", and that is perfect and perfective at once. :)
    – Elena
    Commented Nov 30, 2018 at 22:11
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The participle переводившие is a Past Tense imperfective participle. So, it is "The students who translated this article said it was very difficult" (if we observe the sequence of tenses in English; otherwise, and literally, "say it is very difficult").

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