I know that pronouncing “щ” as “ш + ч” is outdated, but can I still pronounce it like that? Will people understand me?
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1"pronunciation of Щ is outdated"? What? Or did you mean "pronunciation of Щ as “ш + ч” is outdated", as in the title? If so, it will sound a bit Byelorussian; people will understand in the sense that it should not cause confusion. I'm not sure it was ever normative in Russian, in order to be called "outdated"...– ZeusAug 26, 2022 at 0:57
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Why not learn to say it the proper way?– Sergey SlepovAug 26, 2022 at 7:27
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You can say “ш + ч” (or “с + ч”) and still be understood - if you pronounce that quickly.– AlexanderAug 29, 2022 at 17:04
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Yes you can, and yes they will– Sergey KirienkoSep 8, 2022 at 15:29
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My guess is that your ability to be understood wouldn't be greatly affected if you pronounced щ as [шч]. In fact, this pronunciation is a variant of the norm in words like счастье and счёт. Sometimes the listener might be confused as to whether you said щека or чека, for example.
If you're learning Russian, I suggest you try and learn the proper smooth pronunciation from day one. To my ear, the English sh is closer to щ than ш. If you think about it, щ is a palatalized and geminated (doubled) version of ш. The gemination is at least as important. It's probably best to practice saying minimal pairs like чаша - чаща, шит (sewn) - щит (shield). Keeping a straight face is part of the challenge!
In the rural middle Volga region, they tend to not pronounce щ, instead using composite consonants, but different ones.
Тысяча becomes [тышша], щи become [счи]. It's also a hard consonant: нищий is [нишшый].
(And no, they don't pronounce it quickly)
This doesn't cause any intelligibility issues, so the (West Slavic) [шч] should work, too. South Slavic [шт] much less so.
Nevertheless, if you don't make some other sounds just right, you'll be heading into "huh?" territory really fast.
Here's what I usually do to explain how "щ" is pronounced: imagine "ч" (or English "ch") is "ть+щ". So when you drop the beginning "ть" from "ч", you get a perfect "щ".
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1You also have to double it. Two ch's without t's. Or maybe un-aspirate the s in measure– alamarSep 6, 2022 at 22:45